rigging question

[reelfast]

i normally fish salmon with a downrigger, etc. in shallow or along the kelp beds, i will switch to a diver or simply a cresent sinker for weight. another guy i was chatting with suggested using a slip sinker for that shallow water slow trolling.

anyone have a notion as to whether or not there is a real difference between the slip sinker approach vs the cresent sinker style??

 

[Dogbreath]

With the slip sinker you get a different action out of your lure because you can set the sinker way the hell ahead of your offering I use 40' sometime depending.

If you're the creative type it's easy enough to set a crescent type up as a slider, use toothpicks/rubber tubing/crib board pegs/whatever works.

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[reelfast]

ah-ha, change the action, now that makes sense. now please provide a bit more detail as to just how you keep that slip sinker 40' ahead of your offering, toothpick??

 

[TheBigGuy]

I use a peetz trolling weight. Peetz weights don't have to be tied onto the line. They are added when you have let out however much line you want behind the weight. The weight can be removed when the fish reaches the boat for easier landing. The line is sliped under two wire retainers that keep the weight on the line. At the front of the weight is a curled circular wire that you can clip your line into to keep the weight from sliding down the line. I have never liked the line fastners on these weights, they release too easily. I also fear the metal retainer will pinch and weaken my line. I use an old style small plastic wesking downrigger release pin that I attatch to the weight with a duolock. This holds the weight in place securely even with a flasher. When a fish strikes, the pin releases, and the weight slides down the line.

Hope that's not too confusing.

 

[wolf]

Well I have a solution for you all as like the big guy said I also am not a fan of a weight slipping down my line as it may cause breakage.What we have done in the past is get a scotty downrigger clip cut off the clip end that attaches to the wire and re crimp a guick change on it. now you can clip on any size weight that has a loop on it be it a peetz or cresent or a ball weight.

Now clip on say a 8 oz weight on the quick change, set your gear as close or far as you want 10 20 30 ft back simple grap your line and clamp onto your line with the jaws of the scotty clip send it out to how many pulls you want the best part is when you do get a fish on you simple bring it to the boat reach up and take the weight off now its just you and the fish.
Same principle as the ol coat hanger system for the older folks you know what im talking about!!!!

The reason we invented this thing was the many times we had a round ball smack us in the head from quests not controlling the rod when the fish was near and ready to net.

Now your wondering how come you dont loose the weight just set the clip on the tightest setting and you will never loose it as there is no 90 degree angle like on a downrigger it is basically straight trust me it wont fall off I have the same set up for close to 5 years now.


Good luck Wolf

Blue Wolf Charters
www.bluewolfcharters.com

 

[reelfast]

thanks wolf. sure, i have used slip sinkers for bottom fishing over fussy fish where you want your line to slide on the pickup without weight. but the notion of trolling with a sliding sinker sort of rattled my tired brain.

i can see how your idea of using a scotty clip makes great sense as it puts a weight right where you want it and keeps it there. the down side is having to get it off the line.

so then the confusion comes back for me, why not simply use your downrigger with whatever number of pulls off the reel before clipping in? i use braid on my reels so there is virtually no stretch so i can't imagine better hookups with the 'slider' technique.

so is this an artifact of dealing with stretchy line and lost fish or somehow so different i need to incorporate this as an alternative?????

 

[wolf]

Well to get that off the line takes about 1 second as you just reach up and grab it and throw it into the boat very slick.I use this as a 3rd rod option as it gets the gear way back and away from my downriggers especially when there is alot of pinks,coho,and sockeye it can be quite fun as it runs shallow and they usually hit and jusp out of the water.

This was just a way of how I have personally done it I have tried braided line off downriggers and found I lost way more fish as the fish would pop the hooks out as sometimes I have guests that area tad bit "heavy" on the rod so I want the strech to componsate.

Everyone fishs differently thats the joy of fishing.

good luck Wolf

Blue Wolf Charters
www.bluewolfcharters.com

 

[TheBigGuy]

quote:Originally posted by reelfast


so then the confusion comes back for me, why not simply use your downrigger with whatever number of pulls off the reel before clipping in?

Lots of good reasons why weights are a great option.

Spooky fish can sometimes require a very long setback. When you run riggers most other boaters assume you're only running 20-30 feet max behind the rigger clip. Running the lines off surface rods lets other boaters know where your lines at, and hopefully less likely run over them.


When fishing very shallow with a very long set back, it can sometimes be difficult to keep a flasher under the surface with riggers.

You can run more lines at the same depth by using riggers and weights, when fish are in a narrow band in the water column.

Steering an erratic course with lots of turns will result in the
lines dropping and rising, slowing down and speeding up trolled lures. This simple tactic is deadly on Coho.


You can also amuse the kids by having them hold the rod, and pull in, then let out line to make the lure look more erratic in the water.

Allows you to use more lines, you can run 4 line on double stacked riggers, as well as up to 3 surface lines(if an experienced crew is aboard).

Last, but not least, there is nothing more exciting than the sound of the strike and long run from a large spring caught on a surface trolled weighted line.

 

[spoonmaster]

Here on the Great Lakes, divers are very popular for running various depths and for getting a wider spread on your lures.I have been running these for years, easy to use and they catch a lot of fish.Here is an explanation of them and the depths that can be expected for the different sizes. Just another option!!

http://www.fishing-lures.ca/index.php?page=walker_deeper_diver
Walker Deeper Diver Instructions:

For rigging the Deeper Diver tie your main line to the front of the diver. This is the side with the release mechanism on it. Then tie you lure to the other side with the swivel. Your leader length should be between 2-6 feet. It should not be longer than the length of the fishing rod as you need to be able to reach the fish when landing it.
The release mechanism can be adjusted to set the release at the desired tension. You should be able to have it tight enough so that the fish can pull it out on the strike, or when you want to pop it to retrieve your lure.
To adjust the depth setting turn the setting on the bottom of the Deeper Diver to the left or the right to select the side you want it to dive from and then the setting for the desired depth. The Deeper Diver allows you to pick the depth and direction you want it to dive in, allowing you get your line away from the boat to add more fishing rods or cover different depths.

WALKER DEEPER DIVER

Size 45 10 lbs mono line
Line Out (ft) 25 50 100 125 150 175
Depth Set 0 - 11 16 22 24 26 27
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Depth Set 1 - 16 27 35 44 55 59 66
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Size 124 30 lbs mono line
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Depth Set 2 - 20 30 40 50 60 70 80
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