mooching style reels

[Rick]

Looking at trying a mooching style reel for our Summer trip to B.C.

My question is in regards to the rods used with a mooching reel.

Whats the reasoning behind the short butt and long foregrip on the rods I usually see paired with a mooching reel?

Would the Shimano not work well on a standard casting rod where the butt grip is the longer of the two?

 

[tubber]

The mooching reel is mostly used for downrigger fishing unless you are heading to a cutplug place such as a Northern lodge. I've used them on rods marketed as trolling rods, downrigger rods, and even on cheap 10'6" steelhead rods. I never have owned a shortbutted mooching rod. The only differnce is you need to slide about 10" more butt out of the rod holder when a fish hits. Maybe 0.3 of a second longer. The rods you already have will work fine.

 

[tubber]

The mooching reel is mostly used for downrigger fishing unless you are heading to a cutplug place such as a Northern lodge. I've used them on rods marketed as trolling rods, downrigger rods, and even on cheap 10'6" steelhead rods. I never have owned a shortbutted mooching rod. The only differnce is you need to slide about 10" more butt out of the rod holder when a fish hits. Maybe 0.3 of a second longer. The rods you already have will work fine.

 

[Rick]

We'll be DR fishing at Island West. Sounds like all I need is a reel then.

What is the advantage of the 4000 series over the 2000?

Is it just line capacity?

 

[Rick]

We'll be DR fishing at Island West. Sounds like all I need is a reel then.

What is the advantage of the 4000 series over the 2000?

Is it just line capacity?

 

[Business Time]

If I remember correctly, the handle is slightly different. I use the 2000 series - that's more than enough line.

 

[Sushihunter]

quote:Originally posted by Rick

We'll be DR fishing at Island West. Sounds like all I need is a reel then.

What is the advantage of the 4000 series over the 2000?

Is it just line capacity?

I'm using the 4000's now, but had I known about the drum splitting, I would have bought the 2000's.

The only problem with 4K's over 2K's is that to get more line on the reel, they made the drum thinner, and it will now split.

I have both models, buy the 2K's if you can get them.



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[wolf]

Id go with the 4000 but just make sure you have backing the advantage with the 2000s to 4000s is the 4000 are waterproof and better designed in the drag but if you do buy the 2000 ask for some extra drags as they burn out way guicker on the 2000s especially on the downriggers.

Both good start out reels for the price

good luck Wolf

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[Rockfish]

I have used the 2000 for more than 20 years and more recently the 4000 and have never had a problem with either. I do replace the drag washers whenever the drag begins to slip when they are on the downrigger. I prefer the 4000 for the extra line capacity and as I sometimes like to stack rods on the downrigger I will put the 4000 on the lower rod and a 2000 on the upper. I use 30 or 40 lb line and sometimes have not used backing and still never had issues with the spools breaking. I understand there have been some incidents with the 4000 but my impression is that they are very rare events. If one ever breaks on me I guess I will be following Wolf’s advice and always put backing on to cushion the pressure from the line. I do release the pressure on the spool if the line has been brought in under heavy load such as dragging in a kelp island, by letting it out again. Go with the 4000, there are times when you may need the extra line capacity.

 

[wolf]

Rockfish what happens is its from 2 factors yes from playing a fish or kelp LOL but its really just the line strech,all the line that went out during the day that starts to dry now constricts back and tightening even more and pop somethings got to give.
I put backing on all of my reels as anything past 250 yds of mono is a waste as that part of the line really never see the light of day and if it does it comes out all crooked and knarly and what do we do throw it away.

So say you put 100 yds of backing and then 300 yds of your mono you replace less line each time and you get more fill from a 5lb spool of line as it is way cheaper buying in bulk as we all know your going to need it anyways and it makes you replace your line more often as well.

Remember the good ol days with the peetz reels when we had to put backing on so it wouldnt "warp" them NOW thats old school!!!!!


Good luck Wolf

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[Rockfish]

I agree Wolf, backing is a good Idea and I use it. My point was that even on those few occasions where I have not, the 4000 has stood up to the line stretch pressure and I have never had one fail though I understand it has happened. It is amazing how much pressure mono can exert. Try wrapping a few loops around a finger and you will get the idea when it starts to turn purple.

Recently I bought a Daiwa M1 and I am not a fan. After just a few days fishing, the drag tends to creep out on the downrigger unless you have it cranked down way to tight. Perhaps I just got a bad one but I am not about to buy another one to find out. That said, I just bought my first Islander MR2 and I am curious to see if it’s worth the substantial additional cost compared to the Shimano.

Speaking of the good old days, an old guy I fish with (his boat) still uses a Peetz rod and wood reel with the 2 lb ball suspended from a hanger. My side of the boat has the downrigger but there is the occasional day when the salmon seem to prefer the old Peetz set up. I have got to say you get a work out bringing that 2 lb ball up to check the bait. I have tried to convince him to put some backing on the Peetz but he insists on sticking to a piece of carpet he has taped to the reel under the mono. Old habits die hard. I understand the old Peetz wood reels were really designed for wire line not mono, - no stretch, therefore no excess pressure on the wood.
I have thought it could be interesting to have an Old School Derby one day. Only old wood Peetz reels and rods with old metal flashers or dodgers allowed, - no downriggers. I am going with a Pal #4 dodger.

 

[abl]

rockfish, I have to agree. when up at Barkley on our annual trip I still run the old peetz rod and reel with the 2lb wieght for the center line.(my dad insists) I put out a 6" 602 25' from the weight then drop it down 35-40 turns on the reel. Some years this set up completely out produces the downriggers on the side with anchovie or plugs. you sure know when you have a good hook up when that fish is running and tugging when the 2lb ball is still on the line.