Kudoa in salmon

Here are the species currently known to carry Kudoa . You will never catch a wild salmon with this "soft mushy flesh"
It happens some time after death of the animal. I've seen it in Halibut and wild salmon from BC. There is absolutely nothing new about this parasite in farmed or wild fish.

North America

Merluccius productus

Pacific hake




Oncorhynchus spp.

Pacific salmon




Icelinus filamentosus

Threadfin sculpin




Ophiodon elongatus

Lingcod




Aulorhychus flavidus

Tube-snout




Salmo salar

Atlantic Salmon




Reinhardtius stomias

Arrowtooth Flounder




Eopsetta jordani

Petrale sole




Hippoglossus stenolepis

Pacific halibut




Microstomus pacificus

Dover sole




Lepidopsetta bilineatus

Rock sole




Platichthys stellatus

Starry flounder




Parophrys vetula

English sole




Theragra chalcogramma

Alaskan pollock




Merluccius capensis

Cape hake



Australia

Engraulis australis

Australian anchovy




Engraulis japonicus

Japanese anchovy




Sardinella lemuru

Bali sardinella




Sardinops neopilchardus

Australian pilchard




Spratelloides delicatulus

Blue sprat




Coryphaena hippurus

Mahi Mahi



South Africa

Sardinops ocellatus

South African pilchard




Thyrsites atun

Snook



Chile

Paralichthys adspersus

Fine flounder



Japan

Cypselurus sp.

Flying fish



Ireland

Salmo salar

Atlantic Salmon




Clupea harengus

Herring



Spain

Salmo salar

Atlantic Salmon



United Kingdom

Scomber scomber

Mackerel




Salmo trutta

Brown trout
 
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Mushy halibut is being caught in Alaska this year. It appears the Americans don't want to say it is kudoa though. They prefer to say it's immature halibut or something of that nature.

Trolling Bob and Annie? I didn't see anything in the article about "immature halibut or something." Why should we take your word for it over the Alaskan biologists? Oh, right, you're fighting for the fish farmers.
 
Fish Farms must really pay a lot for spin doctors. All 4 fishing sites have brand new members every time there is a report comes out about problems from fish farming and they all try to point the finger elsewhere. !!!FARM TROLLS!!! (a new breed)
 
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Oh geeze-- now we have Dave, too. Just like herpes-- you keep coming back.... (so I am told.....)
 
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Don't think they're trolling ... just asking questions.

I think a reasonable person would conclude that they and you are trolls. At least in the context of shrilling for the fish farm industry and are here for damage control and pro fish farm spin. Further one does not need a 160 IQ to conclude that they and you are not on this site to advance the interests of sport fishing, wild fish or the well being of our environment, but rather to protect corporate profits at any cost. I think in that context troll fits nicely.
You have the wrong audience; but welcome. The more you and your friends post the pro fish farm poop on this site, the more you help to keep Ocean Pen Fish Farms in BC on the radar and this is not an industry that benefits from having a bright light shine on it.


A Mr. Bob Milne is all over the Web defending and spinning for fish farms. We should be honored to have one of the Kings of Fish Farm Propaganda visit our little site. He does like to bash Morton.

Time for some more donations for Independent Virus testing.

http://www.gofundme.com/SalmonDiseaseTestingFund
 
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Why is it that whenever someone posts comments contrary to the majority on this site they are considered trolls? I have considerable experience working with wild salmonids and have no financial interests in salmon farms, but do think they will be a big part of BC’s economic future. I also believe with BC’s stringent regulatory controls wild Pacific salmon and farmed Atlantic salmon can co-exist.
Does that make me a troll?
 
Why is it that whenever someone posts comments contrary to the majority on this site they are considered trolls? I have considerable experience working with wild salmonids and have no financial interests in salmon farms, but do think they will be a big part of BC’s economic future. I also believe with BC’s stringent regulatory controls wild Pacific salmon and farmed Atlantic salmon can co-exist.
Does that make me a troll?

I looked back at all of your posts. If you are not a pro farm fisher I feel your views ar so far off base I can only assume you to be a troll. Nobody without a vested interest could have such a skewed view.
I to have read and researched and fish farming world wide leaves a very destructive path in its wake. Norway, Scotland, Ireland, The East Coast and Chile. Wherever the farms, go problems soon follow.
 
Why is it that whenever someone posts comments contrary to the majority on this site they are considered trolls? I have considerable experience working with wild salmonids and have no financial interests in salmon farms, but do think they will be a big part of BC’s economic future. I also believe with BC’s stringent regulatory controls wild Pacific salmon and farmed Atlantic salmon can co-exist.
Does that make me a troll?

We are not naive Dave. Your pro fish farm bias comes from someplace. In virtually all cases those who spend considerable effort to publically defend this damaging destructive industry gain from it in some way and it does not have to be a direct financial interest as per your limited denial.

It is no secret that our current governments support this industry. So you have worked with salmon. Did you do so directly for government, or a contractor, or an entity that received funding from the industry or government or makes money off the industry, and/or do you hope to do so in the future. These are only a few of the obvious ones but there are many, many ways for an individual to benefit from supporting this industry, some far more indirect.

You believe that wild Pacific salmon and introduced alien Atlantic salmon by the millions in ocean pens can coexist without Pacific salmon being harmed; I do not. I believe that Atlantic salmon ocean pens are a major contributor to the decline and eventual destruction of Pacific Salmon.

You believe that BC has stringent regulatory controls over the Fish Farm industry. – Wow! I would suggest that only an industry supporter and those who ordered the creation of those lax regulations in an attempt to reassure the public for PR purposes, without actually doing anything that interferes with the next quarters profits, would consider them stringent. But if you want to talk stringent regulations that gag order legislation our current provincial government was trying to pass before they get kicked out of office should more than qualify as stringent. It seems to me that increasingly this industry and its government supporters do not want it’s little problems to see the light of day.

You believe that the industry will be a big part of BC’s economic future. I believe that this could only occur if the industry manages to eliminate the primary barrier to unlimited expansion which is wild Pacific Salmon and will last only as long as it takes for the next super disease outbreak to wipe out the industry in BC as it once did in Chile. Unfortunately, if or more likely when that occurs, it has a very real chance of taking down whatever remains of our Pacific Salmon.

This industry contributes only a few hundred million and mostly low paying jobs to the BC economy while exporting much of the profits to Norway. Pacific Salmon are currently worth billions to the BC economy and most of the profits stays here and circulates in our local economy. Pacific Salmon contribute in a major way to the identity, heritage, culture and way of life of all British Columbians. Pacific Salmon are priceless but when one considers extinction is forever let’s say worth trillions. It is a telling indictment of our values and politics that we seem willing to risk all that to satisfy the greed of a few?

Finally Dave, I and an increasing number of British Columbians don’t believe that ultimately we can have both ocean farmed salmon and wild Pacific salmon. We chose Pacific salmon and no amount of political party donations, expensive PR firms and fish farm feel good commercials during NHL hockey games is going to change that.
 
Wow, well said Rockfish.
Science say's no to fishfarms
 
Thanks for sharing your opinions and thanks for not asking me to "go away", as I fully expected to be banned from further contributions. I recently retired from DFO after 37 years as a senior research technician based at the Cultus Lake Salmon Research Laboratory, spending much of my time sampling and histologically examining Fraser River salmon for diseases and stressors. I worked with IMO the best fishery scientists in the world, people like Hinch, Healey and Farrell from SFU, UBC, along with DFO's Bradford, Jones and Levings. FWIW, Kudoa was one of the more common diseases found in Fraser sockeye.
I am also a huge advocate for wild salmon as they are my passion. I know because of my stance regarding salmon farming that seems hypocritical to some but not to me.
Salmon farming is here to stay in BC; best come to grips with it.
 
You are not the only one here with an extensive background in fisheries . Being a tech does NOT make you any more qualified than a lot of others here who are capable of seeing the impact that salmon farming has had around the world.

If wild salmon are your "passion" , how can you continually keep spewing the same garbage that the fish farmers are hoping that the naive public will swallow ?
 
You are not the only one here with an extensive background in fisheries . Being a tech does NOT make you any more qualified than a lot of others here who are capable of seeing the impact that salmon farming has had around the world.

If wild salmon are your "passion" , how can you continually keep spewing the same garbage that the fish farmers are hoping that the naive public will swallow ?
Not saying I’m more qualified but I am entitled to my opinion. As mentioned I worked with brilliant people; maybe after a while, perhaps through osmosis you begin to understand you can think for yourself. I do and believe every word I posted.

So, just curious here … what are your qualifications to post as you do CL?
 
Dave: Your prediction: "Salmon farming is here to stay in BC; best come to grips with it..." I wouldn't bet on it!

The IHN virus has already shown up in Atlantic salmon in Washington and the wildlife service is asking for tougher measures to control the operations. When the U.S. gets tough on salmon farms as the situation will get worse, and it will, Canada will be forced to act accordingly.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2018296136_farmedfish27m.html
 
I recently retired from DFO after 37 years as a senior research technician based at the Cultus Lake Salmon Research Laboratory, ... I worked with IMO the best fishery scientists in the world, people like Hinch, Healey and Farrell from SFU, UBC, along with DFO's Bradford, Jones and Levings. FWIW, Kudoa was one of the more common diseases found in Fraser sockeye.

Salmon farming is here to stay in BC; best come to grips with it.

Well Dave, you guys did a great job studying Fraser River sockeye. Too bad all that research with, IYO, the best fisheryscientists in the world couldn't have better informed ways to stem their decline.

Please don't take this as my being snide but, over the 37 years you worked for DFO, how many taxpayer dollars did you guys get to research ways to prevent the effects from Kudoa in wild fish including Fraser sockeye entering the marketplace? While you're digging up the answer, I'll see how many were spent supporting reesearch into farmed salmon to prevent same. We can then compare and that comparison may help explain why your opinion is that salmon farming is here to stay in B.C.
 
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