IPHC recommends a 3% increase to area 2b.

[fish4all]

On a more positive note the IPHC passed a 3% increase in area 2B this year with a total catch of 7.65mill. It will still be a struggle for all sectors with the low tac's but at least we are getting a slight increase. Compared to area 2C, sitka, who just had it's share of the international pie slashed to a record low we should consider ourselves lucky.

 

[IronNoggin]

Compared to area 2C, sitka, who just had it's share of the international pie slashed to a record low we should consider ourselves lucky.

You think the American "strays" wandering into our area (2B) to fish for halibut was a problem before they reduced the US TAC in 2C ? Watch Out for this year!

Cheers,
Nog

 

[Silver Streak]

On a more positive note the IPHC passed a 3% increase in area 2B this year with a total catch of 7.65mill. It will still be a struggle for all sectors with the low tac's but at least we are getting a slight increase. Compared to area 2C, sitka, who just had it's share of the international pie slashed to a record low we should consider ourselves lucky.

Even with this 3% increase in B.C. TAC, the sport fishery will have a quota of 246,000 lb less than we caught to October 18 last year.
Our catch to October 18 was 1,092,000 lb. Twelve percent of 7,650,000 lb is 918,000 lb. This will probably be reduced by our overage
last year of 72,000 lb. This leaves 846,000 lb.or 23% less than our 2010 catch.

 

[Heads Up]

Silver Streak - I think the calculation you show is still too high. The overage was 112,000 lbs (not 72,000) and I don't think you adjusted the 7.65 mill for comm bycatch and FN FSC before calculating the 12%?

Fish4All - yes, 7.65 is up from 7.5 last year. But what surprises me the most about the Canada's commercial sector is they hate the apportionment method used by the IPHC, yet they all voted in favour of sticking to the IPHC staff recommendations, which to me smacks of sending a message that Canada accepts the bad IPHC apportionment system? And what's even worse the commies on the conference board having voted for no more fish for Canada when they could have easily done so as 2B is showing stable and growing stock levels, they make a statement they want Alaska 2C to get more fish (1 million pounds (30%) more than IPHC staff recommendation) when 2C have fished beyond their IPHC allowable TAC each year since 2005. Commercial fishermen are so concerned about their Alaskan brother's they openly support overfishing the CONSERVATION based TAC.

Kinda tough for them to troll on this site and claim the conservation high ground shyte if you ask me.

 

[fish4all]

Silver Streak - I think the calculation you show is still too high. The overage was 112,000 lbs (not 72,000) and I don't think you adjusted the 7.65 mill for comm bycatch and FN FSC before calculating the 12%?

Fish4All - yes, 7.65 is up from 7.5 last year. But what surprises me the most about the Canada's commercial sector is they hate the apportionment method used by the IPHC, yet they all voted in favour of sticking to the IPHC staff recommendations, which to me smacks of sending a message that Canada accepts the bad IPHC apportionment system? And what's even worse the commies on the conference board having voted for no more fish for Canada when they could have easily done so as 2B is showing stable and growing stock levels, they make a statement they want Alaska 2C to get more fish (1 million pounds (30%) more than IPHC staff recommendation) when 2C have fished beyond their IPHC allowable TAC each year since 2005. Commercial fishermen are so concerned about their Alaskan brother's they openly support overfishing the CONSERVATION based TAC.
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Good post. did you attend IPHC?
The commercial sector made the statement that they disagree with the apportionment method used to divide the pie. The number that was chosen was based using last years TAC + the 3% increase seen in the survey last year(it just worked out that it was close enough to staff rec.). Lets not forget that ALL SFAB reps voted in support of this number as well.

There was a small difference between the 2010 CEY total(41mill) and 2010 Adjusted total(40.2mill) of approx 800,000lbs. Yes the commercial sector said that they could stomach a proposal where that amount of fish could be used in Alaska,not specifically 2c, to try and cushion the hit they received. It is my understanding that the US commissioners, IN FEAR OF WHAT THEY ARE SEEING, voted this down and went with staff recs across the board. The 800k was also used to show the rest of alaska that we are sympathetic but that the 5mill pounds of total increase Alaska asked for would not be accepted by Canada. Let's not forget that these meetings are negotiations and Canada has exceeded its recomendations by close to 1mill pounds for the last few years with little opposition from the US fleet.

Could BC take more fish.... possibly. When you look at the declines to the north of us, where we get a portion of our stock from is crashing do you really think pushing for a larger number for short term gain is worth the risk?

Since you brought it up conservaton I have a questions.
Why at the conference board when area 2c made the proposal to have a jaw tag attached to every halibut caught in the recreational fishery in 2c(remember they are over 4mill and crashing) that the only groups that voted against it was the SFAB and the lodge and charter sector from sitka? One would think that with the problems they are facing in 2C and the desperate need for proper numbers for good science to hopefully save that area this should have been a no brainer. Again what is the problem with the recreational sectors that they refuse to be properly accountable for the removals?

 

[Heads Up]

Jaw tags were tried in BC years ago and were abandoned as a failure. Why would the SFAB support failed policy. Beside Alaska 2C overfishing is a domesticc internal issue that I think it offensive for Canada to tell them how to manage fisheries domestically. But I do support the IPHC strongly reining in their total catch allowance if they abuse their conservation based TAC time and again. IPHC has the hammer to limit them until they comply. It is not Canada's job.

Just let me reflect on your last post ... As concerned Canadians you commercials have vote stacked the conference board so Canada had to support Alaska, who are drastically overfishing on a consistent basis, getting more halibut to catch, up to 800K lbs of TAC, while as you say their stocks are crashing. What kind of message is Canada sending out to the world with that wise commercial fishermen generated move. Don't ever play no conservation card on this sight you hippocrites!

Just think if you supported your Canadian sport fishing brothers and sought a 100,000 or 200,000 lbs increase for area 2B. That small amount would have measurable difference when the sport fishing sector is desperate for every pound of halibut it can get in 2011 and the stock in 2B shows sustainibilty. Yet you turn your back on average Canadian's those same people who live in your community. And you spit in the eye of the angling public with a master plan to gouge small businesses who support licensed anglers with inflated quota prices. What a self serving scam.

I patiently wait for karma, it will come. The pendulum will swing the other way.

 

[fish4all]

Jaw tags were tried in BC years ago and were abandoned as a failure.

Can you explain why it failed?

Beside Alaska 2C overfishing is a domesticc internal issue that I think it offensive for Canada to tell them how to manage fisheries domestically.

So even though halibut is viewed as a coastwide stock and what happens in certain areas has a direct impact on other areas you feel it is none of our business if there is overfishing. That being said I suppose you are against Canada putting pressure on the US trawl fleet that is impacting every area?

But I do support the IPHC strongly reining in their total catch allowance if they abuse their conservation based TAC time and again. IPHC has the hammer to limit them until they comply.

I assume this only applies to Alaska in your eyes as we in canada have abused our tac for the last few years with a recreational overage.

Just let me reflect on your last post ... As concerned Canadians you commercials have vote stacked the conference board so Canada had to support Alaska, who are drastically overfishing on a consistent basis, getting more halibut to catch, up to 800K lbs of TAC, while as you say their stocks are crashing. What kind of message is Canada sending out to the world with that wise commercial fishermen generated move. Don't ever play no conservation card on this sight you hippocrites!

Obviously you were not at the meeting as canada VOTED against the increase request from all other areas including 2c.

Just think if you supported your Canadian sport fishing brothers and sought a 100,000 or 200,000 lbs increase for area 2B. That small amount would have measurable difference when the sport fishing sector is desperate for every pound of halibut it can get in 2011 and the stock in 2B shows sustainibilty. Yet you turn your back on average Canadian's those same people who live in your community. And you spit in the eye of the angling public with a master plan to gouge small businesses who support licensed anglers with inflated quota prices. What a self serving scam.

Last year we supported the rec positon of 8mill and almost had our asses handed to us on a plate as there was no scientific reason to go to that high of a number. This year the positon put forward was one that is scientifically defencable. The SFAB was not gagged. They could have voted anyway they felt and put a number in front of the commission to be voted on. That's the process. Just to be clear are you taliking about the brohters and sisters who are lobbying gov to take away a large portion of commercial fishing families abilities to earn a living.

I patiently wait for karma, it will come. The pendulum will swing the other way.

And if it doesn't? What form of solution are you offering then?

 

[fish4all]

(1 million pounds (30%)

Can you bs anymore the total catch for 2C is 5.39 million 800,000 is 15% at best. any chance your in charge of the voodoo math.

 

[GLG]

Well let’s see what fish4all’s workable solution would mean for the average sport fisherman. Say I go out with the wife on a charter next week. We are lucky and pickup a couple of 30 pound halibut. That would be 60 pounds of halibut quota that I would have to by off of one of those retired halibut fisherman. 60 times 5 bucks per would mean I would have to fork over an extra $300. I don’t see that as a workable solution for my family. I do support the active halibut fishermen and I do not want these fishermen to be harmed in this process. We need to find a solution but the one that has been put forward is not the way to proceed. I personally think that revoking the quota from retired halibut fisherman and redistributing it to active fishermen is the way to go. Perhaps even giving a quota to future generations of Canadians, fish left in the water, would be a great idea. Future generations of commercial and sport fishermen would thank us for the over abundance of halibut in our waters.

GLG

 

[fish4all]

Well let’s see what fish4all’s workable solution would mean for the average sport fisherman. Say I go out with the wife on a charter next week. We are lucky and pickup a couple of 30 pound halibut. That would be 60 pounds of halibut quota that I would have to by off of one of those retired halibut fisherman. 60 times 5 bucks per would mean I would have to fork over an extra $300. I don’t see that as a workable solution for my family. I do support the active halibut fishermen and I do not want these fishermen to be harmed in this process. We need to find a solution but the one that has been put forward is not the way to proceed. I personally think that revoking the quota from retired halibut fisherman and redistributing it to active fishermen is the way to go. Perhaps even giving a quota to future generations of Canadians, fish left in the water, would be a great idea. Future generations of commercial and sport fishermen would thank us for the over abundance of halibut in our waters.

GLG

No that is not it at all.

here it is for ya.
You and your wife go on a charter. You each catch a 30lb fish. Great nice fish.. You then put the 1 fish each on your $22 rec license(which dfo should put a seasonal liimit on) and all is good. Now the wife says "Dear I would like a little extra hali for the freezer". You then turn to the guide and say "Is this possible?". The guide in turn would reply" Yes sir it is. To be ready for the season I applied for a FREE level 2 licence where I can catch you as much halibut as you like at $/lb.(last years price was approx $4.25-$4-75, " That is what was proposed. Worse case senario you put the first 2 fish in the freezer and go out the next day.

 

[IronNoggin]

You and your wife go on a charter. You each catch a 30lb fish. Great nice fish.. You then put the 1 fish each on your $22 rec license(which dfo should put a seasonal liimit on) and all is good. Now the wife says "Dear I would like a little extra hali for the freezer". You then turn to the guide and say "Is this possible?". The guide in turn would reply" Yes sir it is. To be ready for the season I applied for a FREE level 2 licence where I can catch you as much halibut as you like at $/lb.(last years price was approx $4.25-$4-75, " That is what was proposed. Worse case senario you put the first 2 fish in the freezer and go out the next day.

FAIL!
Does nada to ensure the Recreational Sector's allowable catch is Fair and Equitable, nor address the real problems now staring us down in that regard.

It does however...
- Promote DFO's point of view that Halibut are nothing but a Privately Traded Commodity;
- Inflates the pockets of the Fish Brokers (who else has expendable quota for sale?);
- Turns one segment of the Recreational Sector into a "Commercial Fishing Enterprise", complete with the direct sales of sport-caught fish.

Absolutely NO wonder why this was turned down.

Cheers,
Nog

 

[fish4all]

Wasn't really asking your opinion on that one Iron. You have voiced it many times before. Just explaining part of an option that was put forward instead of going to war with those that depend on a BC resource to earn a living.

 

[Fishing Guide]

Cheers,

Not really an 'option' as we already own that resource so how can we 'purchase' what we already own? Simply a matter of time before our "elected' officials come to the realization that our Supreme Court arrived at years ago and, if those currently elected officials take too long to figure it out, they shall be in for a surprise during the next election.

This is not about going to war...this is about exercising our democratic rights for, in a democratic enviornment, the needs of the many outweigh the "perceived' needs of the (very) few.

Ironic that they mention that they - the approximately 135 commercial halibut fishermen - 'depend on a BC resource to earn a living' yet fail to grasp that thousands of guides also depend on this same resource not to mention the tens of thousands of active sports anglers who also enjoy this very same resource. Very egocentric perception of reality. However they do figure out one part - it is a BC resource - meaning ALL British Columbians - not simply commercial ones.

And Iron Noggin'...keep at it...we are beside you!

 

[Lipripper]

You and your wife go on a charter. You each catch a 30lb fish. Great nice fish.. You then put the 1 fish each on your $22 rec license(which dfo should put a seasonal liimit on) and all is good. Now the wife says "Dear I would like a little extra hali for the freezer". You then turn to the guide and say "Is this possible?". The guide in turn would reply" Yes sir it is. To be ready for the season I applied for a FREE level 2 licence where I can catch you as much halibut as you like at $/lb.(last years price was approx $4.25-$4-75, " That is what was proposed. Worse case senario you put the first 2 fish in the freezer and go out the next day.

X2 on that FAIL!
There is more important things to figure out before that