Heading back to Kyuquot...again. Have a question?

[Pippen]

If you were planning on heading out to the WCVI for a trek...how much consideration would you put around the moon phase and "when" you go?

The "best" for timing and schedules in the last week of June which is a full moon. It's the same week were there last year and we had AMAZING fishing...but it wasn't a full moon.

Other "possibilities" are July 8-11th....or July 11-16th (no moon) but these dates are not as easy to work into the schedule.

Just was curious as to some opinions?

 

[Barnacle Bill]

The Less Moon the better, that being said, I would plan my trip around the tides. For Hali fishing the smaller the tide, the better fishing.

 

[reelfast]

ask yourself this question: if i can see my dinner swimming past, will i eat?

a big moon pretty much guarantees that preditors will be feeding by it's light. by this time you get out there, they are stuffed and not much interested. seems to work that way for me no matter what fish i am looking for in the salt.

 

[Pippen]

I totally agree guys and am aware of the theory/concept of what the moon does. I am pretty sure that is why I experienced mediocre fishing 2 years ago but 1, 3 and 4 years ago were great. It DID help that last year there were LOTS of fish too.

I know we can likely bump it back 2 weeks....but it may mean that we lose 1 or 2 people who wouldn't be able to make it. I guess that is my biggest concern and whether or not you would still give er' a go??

 

[JuandeOne]

Personally, I wouldn't feel good about planning a trip w/ a full moon. Too much time, money, excitement and anticipation to subject to poorer fishing conditions. Over the last 20 years I have seen too often how a full moon effects fishing...I couldn't do it. Again, just my personal opinion.

 

[Barnacle Bill]

Having a good time fishing with friends is more important then any moon phase or tides! Go with your friends IMHO...BB

 

[Whole in the Water]

I agree with Juandeone, avoid the full moon if your goal is to catch more fish. I have had nothing but bad luck during full moons for both fresh and salt water fishing. However, if your goal is more of a boat trip with your buds then go with a full moon.

Long live wild salmon!!!
>&lt)))>

 

[Pippen]

quote:Originally posted by Whole in the Water

I agree with Juandeone, avoid the full moon if your goal is to catch more fish. I have had nothing but bad luck during full moons for both fresh and salt water fishing. However, if your goal is more of a boat trip with your buds then go with a full moon.

Long live wild salmon!!!
>&lt)))>

Nope...this is all about the fishing! I can see my buds anytime. []

 

[IronNoggin]

quote:Originally posted by Pippen
Nope...this is all about the fishing! I can see my buds anytime. []

Methinks then you have your answer Pippen

Over the years working both commercial troll and recreational, I have found the theory that the full moon brings a negative influence to the catching aspect to hold true. While not always the case, as a generalization the fishing will usually be better 4 or 5 days before and after the full moon. Certainly has been indicated to me by what's in the hold at the end of the day!

Reelfast hit one aspect in that with the extra light, I do believe the salmon feed through the night on a full moon. Tagged more than a few right at "first light" with full bellies.

The other consideration is the intensity of the tides. Seems when the "wind" is howling down there, the salmon tend to bury their noses in the mud to get out of that. Also seems the slack period between tides is noticeably shortened, providing less time the "bite" is on to capitalize on.

From the generous run predictions, methinks the fishing will be most excellent this coming season. Kyuquot produced and produced right well into July last season. No reason to think it won't do the same this year!

Were it me, I'd say to hell with Da Boyz, I'm goin' CATCHIN'! [^]

Good Luck with your decision!

Cheers,
Nog

 

[Island Fish Lifter]

I have had 90% bad fishing around a full moon, and contrary to what people believe, it has nothing to do with them feeding at night. Ive proved this two ways; first, Ive had just as bad fishing during heavy overcast as I have clear skies. Second, Ive actually tried fishing in the middle of the night with clear skies with the moon so bright, I didnt even need lights to see- zero fish.

Fill the dam tub!

 

[Pippen]

quote:Originally posted by IronNoggin
The other consideration is the intensity of the tides. Seems when the "wind" is howling down there, the salmon tend to bury their noses in the mud to get out of that. Also seems the slack period between tides is noticeably shortened, providing less time the "bite" is on to capitalize on.

From the generous run predictions, methinks the fishing will be most excellent this coming season. Kyuquot produced and produced right well into July last season. No reason to think it won't do the same this year!

You are right on that Nog....and looking at the tidal charts for Kyuquot that week of July 5th-11th in the 'last quarter' of the moon phase they look pretty favourable with generally around a 5ish foot swing. The weeks of Jun 25th and July 11th where the swing is happening in the ~10-12 foot range for the most part.

http://www.waterlevels.gc.ca/cgi-bin/tide-shc.cgi?queryType=showZone&language=english®ion=1&zone=15


Me thinks it is going to be a push for the week of July 5th....hopefully it's nice and warm and I can bust out the speedo! [] [)]

 

[bananas]

I always find the week leading up to the full moon is best.

Fishing can be good during a full moon but usualy late afternoon till dark.From what i've noticed during the full moon there are very strong tides usualy big ebb for most of the day and once the flood current is rollin the fishin picks up but it's usualy late in the day. just my 2cents.

 

[JuandeOne]

quote:Originally posted by IronNoggin

quote:Originally posted by Pippen
Nope...this is all about the fishing! I can see my buds anytime. []

Methinks then you have your answer Pippen

Over the years working both commercial troll and recreational, I have found the theory that the full moon brings a negative influence to the catching aspect to hold true. While not always the case, as a generalization the fishing will usually be better 4 or 5 days before and after the full moon. Certainly has been indicated to me by what's in the hold at the end of the day!

Reelfast hit one aspect in that with the extra light, I do believe the salmon feed through the night on a full moon. Tagged more than a few right at "first light" with full bellies.

The other consideration is the intensity of the tides. Seems when the "wind" is howling down there, the salmon tend to bury their noses in the mud to get out of that. Also seems the slack period between tides is noticeably shortened, providing less time the "bite" is on to capitalize on.

From the generous run predictions, methinks the fishing will be most excellent this coming season. Kyuquot produced and produced right well into July last season. No reason to think it won't do the same this year!

Were it me, I'd say to hell with Da Boyz, I'm goin' CATCHIN'! [^]

Good Luck with your decision!

Cheers,
Nog

Lol!! Call me crazy but I gave up fishing years ago too. It's now all about catching. Attention to every little detail makes a big difference.

 

[Pippen]

quote:Originally posted by IronNoggin
Were it me, I'd say to hell with Da Boyz, I'm goin' CATCHIN'!

Ha ha....ayup...if it were just "that easy". I can say to hell with Da Boyz; no problem at all as a few of them have issues with "chumming the water". [)]

My problem is trying to get a week dialed in that works with the Missuz as she LOVES fishing and has been to Kyuquot every year with me!! I am not sure I want to go down THAT road saying "to hell with ya Missuz...I'm going a catchin"!!! Only thing I would be catchin' is an earful, and she'd be settin HER 'hooks' into something very dear to me......MY 'boyz'!! Setting the "hooks" with a rather lengthy, firmly pressured...yet steady..."pull"!! [:0] [:0] []

 

[finaddict]

Hey Pip,

Our trip is set for July 8-12 for all three of our boats. Hopefully we'll not be "between runs" as we seem to be last year. Tides look pretty good as well with 6 footers and highs to 12 feet in the early afternoon.

maybe we'll see yah up there this year

 

[IronNoggin]

quote:Originally posted by Pippen

...and she'd be settin HER 'hooks' into something very dear to me......

So what yer sayin' is yer "WHIPPED"? [}]

Loads of times I've wandered out, knowing in my head and my guts that something ain't "right" according to all I can put together. Tides, low pressure system, bait movements, run movements, plankton blooms......................
Of these, timing plays a fairly significant role.
Kinda seems to me "Da Boyz" are telling you your Missuz has the timing thing dialed in Just Right.

I saw the pictures and read a few of the tales. Likely best to go with her instincts

Cheers,
Nog

 

[searun]

Absolutely concur with earlier observations on the role of the moon, but there ain't no body who will be happy unless Momma is happy or as my buddy always says...happy wife, happy life. Leave her behind and you will need to buy one of those Wunder Boner things. Another buddy once offered this observation on these matters...he said, "too bad the heart isn't strong enough to pump blood to both heads at the same time."[]

Searun

 

[Charlie]

quote:Originally posted by IronNoggin

quote:Originally posted by Pippen

...and she'd be settin HER 'hooks' into something very dear to me......

So what yer sayin' is yer "WHIPPED"? [}]

Loads of times I've wandered out, knowing in my head and my guts that something ain't "right" according to all I can put together. Tides, low pressure system, bait movements, run movements, plankton blooms......................
Of these, timing plays a fairly significant role.
Kinda seems to me "Da Boyz" are telling you your Missuz has the timing thing dialed in Just Right.

I saw the pictures and read a few of the tales. Likely best to go with her instincts

Cheers,
Nog

I agree with “all”!
However, keep in mind, we are talking about “Kyuquot”? Kyuquot is mostly transient salmon migrating and heading further south and it is very much a “numbers” game and catching the runs as they pass through usually pays off quite well – Port Renfrew, same-same. If I were to fish prior to July 15, I would be looking “hard” at the moon & tide charts! Around the last week of July through the middle of August there should be enough fish migrating through, where ‘bananas’ is very correct! If you don’t get them at “one hour prior to first light”, with a full moon you will normally pick them up on the afternoon ebb! At Kyuquot, timing has significant role, while there will be fish moving through the last week of June, I believe you will have more migrating closer towards the middle July increasing? Remembering salmon do continuously migrate throughout the year just more so during certain times. I plan on catching but, I also look at how much time will it take?

Salmon first find their food through their lateral line, then sight, followed by smell. They tend to be closer to the surface and more active one hour prior to sunrise, especially during a full moon. When planning my trips, the first thing I look for is a time frame, between the 15 of July through August, then the “no moon” phase and as ‘IronNoggin’ stated try to fit it around the 4 or 5 days prior or after (moon phase and tides go hand-in-hand).

If given a choice between end of June – middle of July at “Kyuquot”? I would vote “no moon”!

 

[Pippen]

Hey Charlie...

Thanks for the reply and for that matter...thanks everyone for their input!!

I am aware of the fact that they are "transient" fish passing/migrating through there and it looks now as though we are heading close to the "new moon" and just trying to dial in the days. I have definitely seen and talked to a few guys up there before and after we have been there and they definitely do come through there in 'waves'.

I was over there last year in the last week of June and it was pretty hot. We were into springs and coho like crazy....the week after a member of this board was there and it was dead. He like me has fished there a number of years and know "where" to go quite well.


Cheers!

 

[Charlie]

Okay, so you got my curiosity up and I just had to do some looking! You should be fine!

"If" I were going to plan a trip for “one week” to fish for salmon in the month of June (I'd be going to QCI), but off Kyuquot it would be starting the 20th and yes that would be going into the full moon! And, when one of those “waves” showed up… I would be non-stop fishing, as you know they leave as fast as they come! In July - it would be anytime after the 11th! Just for the record, I all ready planned a week in August and I “will” be fishing starting the 7th, but farther south! I didn't make past Bamfield last year (due to limits) and don't think I will make it past Renfrew this coming year! Have to admit, missed the areas, but didn't miss the fuel bill, at all!

I think your Missuz just might have the timing thing dialed?

And, this is just an opinion, as everyone knows - regardless of how much information goes into planning a trip, it is still up to the fish to be there? And, however one figures it out, it is still just a “AWAFG”, until the fish are - in the box! [:0]

Cheers!