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Anticipated salmon run could overwhelm Fraser River this summer, experts say
MARK HUME
VANCOUVER — The Globe and Mail
Published Wednesday, Mar. 05 2014, 6:21 PM EST
Last updated Wednesday, Mar. 05 2014, 6:25 PM EST

If the early signals are correct, the Fraser River could have the biggest salmon run in B.C. history this summer, with up to 72 million sockeye returning.

That would be more than double the record number that came back in 2010, when about 30 million sockeye flooded into the Fraser, overwhelming fish plants with such bounty they ran out of ice and storage boxes.

“I mean, it’s hard to fathom,” Rollie Rose, president of Sooke Salmon Charters Ltd., said in an interview of the magnitude of the projections from the Department of Fisheries and Oceans.

He told colleagues in a recent e-mail: “The news could not be any better … you will see fishing this year better than you have seen in your lifetime.”

Good ocean conditions for salmon in the past two years have resulted in forecasts of big runs all along the West Coast, extending into the United States, where officials recently predicted three million Chinook and coho for the Columbia River.

But the Fraser is expected to get the biggest return because the sockeye coming back are the progeny of the 2010 run, which was the largest in nearly 100 years.

Les Jantz, DFO’s acting area director for the B.C. Interior, said it is too early to say with certainty just how many sockeye will return. The forecast ranges from a low of 7.3 million to a high of 72.5 million.

If it is at the high end, he said, it will top anything seen in the Fraser “as long as we’ve been keeping records.”

Even at a conservative mid-range estimate of 23 million sockeye, it would be a prodigious run in a river where stocks have declined dramatically for nearly two decades, with runs of two to four million common. The run hit a low of 1.3 million in 2009 before bouncing back unexpectedly the next year in what many thought was a “one off” event.

In 2010, DFO saw signs of a good year and predicted four million to 29 million sockeye would return. As the season advanced, managers realized the high end would be reached.

A similar scenario may unfold this year, as fisheries managers begin to get hard data from sports anglers and commercial fishermen during early openings. By July, the numbers should be firm.

But Mr. Jantz said even at this early date, there is reason for excitement, because ocean conditions have been very good for salmon for the past three years, and a record number of young sockeye migrated out of the Fraser in the spring of 2012. Those fish would have encountered prime conditions, with upwellings of cold water that salmon prefer and are rich with the zooplankton and phytoplankton blooms young fish eat.

“We’re always cautious. That’s built into our system,” he said. “But it’s certainly looking good .”

Wilf Luedke, DFO’s chief of stock assessment on the south coast, said the Fraser is not the only watershed that is looking good.

Mr. Luedke said there are indications of strong chinook and coho runs to several rivers, and a big sockeye run is expected to the Somas River on Vancouver Island.

Like Mr. Jantz, he credited ocean conditions.

“That’s not the only factor, but it’s the biggest one,” he said.

He also noted that last year, large numbers of jack coho, chinook and sockeye returned to rivers. Jacks are immature fish that come back a year early. When a lot of them return, it usually signals a big run of mature fish will follow.

Mr. Luedke cautioned the forecast will not be certain until “ the hooks and nets hit the water.”

Ernie Crey, fisheries adviser to the Sto:lo Tribal Council, said the forecast numbers are amazing.

“I think sockeye will be a banner year,” he said.

But Mr. Crey urged DFO not to allow too much fishing before the actual size of the run is known.

“I say yes, be excited, and it’s wonderful we’re looking at this tremendous year in front of us. But I am always one to encourage them to exercise a bit of caution,” he said.

Follow Mark Hume on Twitter: @markhumeglobe
 
The Fraser River Panel met for the final in-season meeting on Thursday,
September 25, 2014 to receive an update on the migration of the Fraser sockeye
runs and review the status of migration conditions in the Fraser River
watershed.

The migration of sockeye past the Mission hydroacoustics site has continued to
be strong over the last several days with approximately 2.7 million sockeye
estimated to have passed in the last seven days. In river test fisheries
catches have been variable in recent days.

Recent stock identification analyses indicated Fraser sockeye contributions of
approximately 13% Summer run and 87% Late run from the Whonnock test fishery
with Harrison sockeye comprising 12 of the 13% of the Summer run fish.

The estimated upriver migration of sockeye past Mission through September 24th
is 9,492,400 fish in total of which 227,900 are estimated to be Early Stuart
sockeye, 1,204,500 Early Summer run, 4,029,800 Summer run and 4,030,200 Late
Run.

At today’s meeting, the Fraser River Panel adopted an increase to the run size
of summer run sockeye to 8.1 million up from 7.9 million. The panel made no
changes to the run size for Early Summers or lates or to the management
adjustments for any of the run timing groups. Fish condition has been good in
recent Fraser River fisheries and observations in the rivers and lakes in the
interior.
 
Also from the PSC site (as of Sep 25):

Total Fraser Sockeye past the Mission counter: 9.492 million
Total Fraser Sockeye catch below Mission: 9.625 million
Total Fraser Sockeye run accounted for to date: 19.118 million

They are forecasting just shy of another 2 million late run sockeye to come, putting their revised total estimate for Fraser sockeye at 21.003 million, just shy of p50 preseason estimate of 22.854 million

Anyway you slice it, pretty accurate forecast, big harvest and big escapement in 2014.

Ukee
 
Also from the PSC site (as of Sep 25):

Total Fraser Sockeye past the Mission counter: 9.492 million
Total Fraser Sockeye catch below Mission: 9.625 million
Total Fraser Sockeye run accounted for to date: 19.118 million

They are forecasting just shy of another 2 million late run sockeye to come, putting their revised total estimate for Fraser sockeye at 21.003 million, just shy of p50 preseason estimate of 22.854 million

Anyway you slice it, pretty accurate forecast, big harvest and big escapement in 2014.

Ukee

Yea I was told to expect 23 million.
Yup they pegged it those pesky science guys.
http://commonsensecanadian.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/DFO-2014-sockeye-forecast.pdf
 
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Yup they pegged it...

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Anyway you slice it, it can't be an easy thing to figure out....I know they have screwed the pooch on many things and will continue given what they have to deal with and all but man...trying to figure out how many fish are going to come back???
 
Thanks IN I needed that :)

Getbent..... agreed
Yea I have issues with DFO that's fore sure.
I have put more then a few of their numbers into my excel spread sheets.
I think all eyes are on Sockeye and they have picked up their game.
 
No Kudos to DFO are warranted. The PSC has its own biologists, and analysts. It is they who actually analyze the data, monitor the sampling and provide the predictions. Accolades should be sent to the Pacific Salmon Commission.
 
That's not true, while PSC has bios who participate with DFO bios and managers on the in season panel (analyzing the in season test fishery and catch data), with regards to Fraser Sockeye pre-season run abundance forecasting, it's DFO stock assessment data, DFO models and DFO Pacific Region biologists who do the forecasting.

Having said that, it's also DFO senior managers who cave to lobby pressure and more often than not mismanage harvest levels … so you get the good (local field staff) with the bad (politically influenced management) with DFO.

My two cents, anyway.

Ukee
 
Wow, that article is so full of misinformation it's funny. One million gill net caught sockeye worth $20 million? Since when are gill netters getting $20/fish from the processors, would be lucky to be half of that, particularly at the back end of a fishery that already harvested nearly 10 million fish and every buddy who could cast a line had one of the longest rec seasons ever, which is in fact still open, to harvest their own. Then the notion that the Shuswap FN don't have the capacity, due to dip netting only, or the quality to market their fish reveals how ignorant the folks speaking are to the reality of the modern fishery. Two seine boats on Kamloops Lake and a CFIA certified product ensures they not only have the capacity to catch their allocation, every piece has whole sale and retail buyers waiting. Finally, the concept of "over spawning" is ancient science, which rarely vets itself in nature. In very small, spawning limited systems it may occur, assuming of course every "escaped" fish makes it healthily to the spawning grounds, which rarely happens. In massive systems like the Shuswap/Adams, late-run fish spread out through the whole system - the Adams River, Shuswap River, Little River, South Thompson River, Eagle River, Shuswap and Adams Lake shorelines, etc, etc. The system has shown time and again it has the capacity for the very large runs that have returned on the dominant years for the past 4-5 cycles.

Ukee
 
Wow, that article is so full of misinformation it's funny. One million gill net caught sockeye worth $20 million? Since when are gill netters getting $20/fish from the processors, would be lucky to be half of that, particularly at the back end of a fishery that already harvested nearly 10 million fish and every buddy who could cast a line had one of the longest rec seasons ever, which is in fact still open, to harvest their own. Then the notion that the Shuswap FN don't have the capacity, due to dip netting only, or the quality to market their fish reveals how ignorant the folks speaking are to the reality of the modern fishery. Two seine boats on Kamloops Lake and a CFIA certified product ensures they not only have the capacity to catch their allocation, every piece has whole sale and retail buyers waiting. Finally, the concept of "over spawning" is ancient science, which rarely vets itself in nature. In very small, spawning limited systems it may occur, assuming of course every "escaped" fish makes it healthily to the spawning grounds, which rarely happens. In massive systems like the Shuswap/Adams, late-run fish spread out through the whole system - the Adams River, Shuswap River, Little River, South Thompson River, Eagle River, Shuswap and Adams Lake shorelines, etc, etc. The system has shown time and again it has the capacity for the very large runs that have returned on the dominant years for the past 4-5 cycles.

Ukee
Very much agree UKeeD. What a bunch of crapola. Dr. Walters makes some pretty bold statements without any corroborating evidence. Simply making statements on very little anecdotal information is a dangerous place for a professor emeritus' reputation to be.
 
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In an analysis of escapements since 1995, Walters estimates that DFO has allowed 24 million more Fraser River sockeye to return than was necessary. He estimates the economic loss of that to be between $1 billion and $2 billion.

That would make each fish worth $83.33 to the economy. Dr. Walters is sniffing glue.
 
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