Boat voltage

My new tin boat has .732v coming off the downrigger cables,(in fresh water). Do I need to put more zincs on the boat?? From what I have read, I should be .4 to .6?? Is this right? Everything in the boat is grounded to a block right off the Neg. Any help would be much appriecieted. Heading to Ucluelet in two days and would like to have this right.
 
Its a myth. Go fishin.

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Best voltage to have is around 0.6 to 0.65 volts. quickest fix is to add more zincs.

SPECIES VOLTAGE
Chinook (King) Salmon .600 volts
Coho (Silver) Salmon .650 volts
Sockeye Salmon .750 volts
Kokanee Salmon .650 volts
Halibut .450 volts *
Laketrout (Mackinaw) .650 volts
Rainbow & Brown Trout .650 volts
Cutthroat Trout .650 volts
Black Bass .750 volts *
Sharks .400 volts *
Striped Bass .650 volts *
Sturgeon .500 volts *
Catfish .500 volts *

* Further research may change this recommendation.

This information is from Pro-Troll who make a black box.
The Pro-Troll Quick Boat Check Procedure.

1. Use a voltmeter that has a DC scale that will read zero to one volt. If you already have the Cabela's Black Box you can use it as your voltmeter in the natural voltage mode.

2. With the boat in the water, lower a downrigger wire into the water five or six feet. It is best to do this away from marinas or docks where a number of boats are moored. Stray electrical currents from battery chargers or electrical systems can distort your readings. It is also best to have a vinyl-covered downrigger weight and an insulated end snap connecting your weight to the wire.

3. Turn off everything electrical on the boat. Turn off the master battery switches if you have them. Then connect the negative lead from your volt meter to the negative battery terminal, the engine or to some other grounded metal on the boat. Touch the positive lead to your downrigger wire near the spool or along the arm. You should get a natural voltage reading of between .7 volts and .8 volts. If the reading is significantly outside this range, you have a problem (see later problem section).

4. One by one, turn on the boat’s different electrical systems and watch the voltmeter. Start first with the battery switches. Next, turn on the bilge pump. Start the engine and then each of the other electrical devices. If your natural voltage reading changes by more than .05 volts from its starting point with any of these steps, you have an electrical leakage problem. These are quite common in battery switches and accessories like bilge pump connections where a slight amount of positive electricity can leak into the water in the bilge.

If your boat fails test 3 or 4, you are probably repelling fish rather than attracting them. You need to find the problem on the boat and clean it up.

Initial things to check if your readings are not normal

If your readings are low (below .500) most of the time the problem is either your zinc not making good contact with the water or your downrigger cables are not making good contact with the water. Boats that are kept on trailers out of the water, often get oxidation on the zinc and it will become covered with a white powder. This insulates the zinc from the water and causes a low voltage reading. The solution is to clean the zinc with a stainless steel brush.

Downrigger wires also get corrosion and don't make good contact with the water. The older the downrigger wire, the more likely it is covered with scum or corrosion. It will give you a low reading even with a good zinc. For testing purposes you can scrape or clean a section of the wire with steel wool. If the wire has broken strands it's probably time to replace it. Otherwise the best answer is to install a Black Box which will bring the voltage back where you want it. Different downriggers on the same boat will frequently show different natural voltage readings because the wire on one will be older or more corroded than the other. The Black Box will correct the voltage on up to six downriggers.

Boat bonding could be a problem. Inspect the inside of the hull. If the boat is fiber glass or wood, there should be a copper bonding wire running along the bottom of the hull connecting all the underwater metal fittings together. For example, it should run from the engine or outdrive to the metal fuel tanks, metal water tanks, thru hulls, trim tabs and motor shaft and stuffing box. Be sure the bonding wire is not broken and that the connection to each fitting is clean and tight. The connections are easy to check with a volt/ohm meter. With the boat in the water, touch the positive lead from the volt meter to each fitting and the negative lead to the bonding wire. If the meter shows a reading of .010 volts or higher, clean the connection and recheck. If its below .010 volts, check the same connection with an ohm meter to insure continuity of less than one ohm. If the boat is out of the water on a trailer, you can use the ohm part of this test by itself.

If your outboard engine is an electric start, it is automatically grounded and nothing further needs to be done. If it is not an electric start it must be grounded (bonded) to the boat ground system. This can be done by running a wire from the metal on the motor to a ground point on the boat hull. If you are not sure the motor is grounded, you can use a volt/ohm meter to check. To test for bonding, connect the negative meter lead to the negative terminal of the battery and test for continuity to the boat hull or bonding strap as well as the outboard motor. If there is no continuity, install a bonding wire (#10) from the negative terminal to the hull and to the outboard.
 
quote:Originally posted by Smileys Crib

My new tin boat has .732v coming off the downrigger cables,(in fresh water). Do I need to put more zincs on the boat?? From what I have read, I should be .4 to .6?? Is this right? Everything in the boat is grounded to a block right off the Neg. Any help would be much appriecieted. Heading to Ucluelet in two days and would like to have this right.

As stated by Kisinana, ideal voltage for Chinook is .600V, and I like to run a little less at .560V to .590V when targeting Chinook.

.732V sounds pretty hot to me. Can you catch fish? Yes, but I would bet that you will be catching Coho and the odd small Chinook.

My first boat was running hot back in 2003. I would be catching Coho like there was no tommorrow, but I could be in prime Chinook areas with other boats catching nice big 25#+ fish all around me, and I could not hook up a fish with $50 dollar bills on the hook.

I broke down and spent the $150 bucks to buy a Pro-Troll blackbox and installed it. My first trip out, I caught 2 Chinook, and continued to catch them ever since.

Short term fix - more zincs - can't have too many zincs. They protect your boat too. And, put your lines a long way back from your downrigger cables - 30 to 50 feet. Try different lengths and see what catches fish.

Good luck in Ucluelet - let us know how you make out.



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Smileys Crib you say in fresh water? I was under the impression that in order to have current, you must drag the lead thru the salt and this is how voltage is produced.
 
Think whatever you want guys but I fish intentionally hot (0.70 - 0.71) for springs with good results... Maybe those tables are area specific?
 
quote:Originally posted by chris73

Think whatever you want guys but I fish intentionally hot (0.70 - 0.71) for springs with good results... Maybe those tables are area specific?

That's interesting - what depth are you setting your downriggers at?

When fishing deep - say 100 + feet, you should bump the voltage up a bit, into the .700 range. This is because you lose voltage the deeper you go.

Also, do your fish thrash around a lot when they get near the boat?



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Electrolysis is the generation of electricity through a chemical reaction. Any time dissimilar metals and a battery and electricity will be created. The amount of electricity generated depends on the metals involved and the nature of the electrolytic solution. Water containing minerals is a weak electrolytic solution but it will still generate electricity.
There is a table ranking all metals by what is called nobility. When a metal with a high nobility is put with a metal of low nobility, more electricity will be generated. Zinc is very low in nobility and will react strongly with almost all other metals. This is why zinc anodes are placed on boats. Downrigger wire, which is stainless steel, has a relatively high nobility. The reaction between stainless steel wire and zinc will normally generate about .8 volts of electricity in saltwater.
If your boat reads low (below .500) the problem can be your zinc not making good contact with the water or your downrigger cables are not making good contact with the water. Trailered boats often get oxidation on the zinc and it will become covered with a white powder. This insulates the zinc from the water and causes a low voltage reading. The solution is to clean the zinc with a stainless steel brush.
 
This subjet has been talked about forever and ever if you have too much do wat everyone and put that new scotty braided on now you dont have any voltage so now you have no voltage on your riggers does that mean you wont catch fish?????Last time I checked you got fish on a hook not downrigger wire LOL LOL

good luck Wolf

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So how does one check natural voltage with the spectra??????just curious as if you are isolating the reading with that line and if we want voltage on wire to bring in fish.

1 why do we want the spectra????there is NO voltage????

2 if there is no voltage and fish only want a certain metered reading?????why do they bite?????

3 oh how about the black box get it down to what you want and now your in business.oh wait put on spectra, damn got to take off the black box now.

So you see the point I am making is if your not confident in what you do wire or spectra or the way you hold your tounge is not going to make you a better fisherman.

When you are around 50 boats all with different gear and voltage in the water do you think it really matters there is so many different readings, gear, voltage and other crap going on a .5 on your rigger aint going to mean squat.

Spinning bait(properly) and color combos i think are way more important and the only way you can figure that out is by a lot of trial and error and just being out there fishing when you only go 4 times in 3 weeks its going to be a guessing game!!!! just like every thing in life you got to practice.........


Good luck Wolf


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SushiH
quote: That's interesting - what depth are you setting your downriggers at?

When fishing deep - say 100 + feet, you should bump the voltage up a bit, into the .700 range. This is because you lose voltage the deeper you go.

Also, do your fish thrash around a lot when they get near the boat?

Well, in the winter I fish usually deeper than 100' and then I have my black box for sure set at above 0.7 V. Between now and October I fish usually 40 - 90' and still have the black box at at least 0.68 - mostly at 0.7. And no, the fish act "normal" beside the boat - I mean they thrash around but not because of the Voltage but because they know their fate when they see my boat and net...:D That low Voltage is not enough to shock or freak the fish being under intense stress anyway. Or would you care when starving and offered a sandwich if the sandwich contains low fat mayo? I believe that the right Voltage can make a difference in triggering a strike but nothing more...

Oh, I forgot one thing: the fish just cooks a tad quicker when you caught it with more than 0.7 V !!![:0]
 
you guys drive me crazy with your volatge worries. Just worry about your zincs doing their job protecting your components. Your fishing experience, or lack of, will dictate your success. I promise!

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Island and Chris you guys are bang on I always laugh when people say "that fish went nuts when it saw the boat" must be too much voltage it doesnt matter if you fish from a tinny on a lake or a stream or river when a fish knows his fate is coming soon he will want to get the hell out of dodge.

But if you do check your voltage and it is way out you may have some serious grounding problems and that is a bigger issue than catching fish. knew of a buddies boat when I metered it it was about 1.4 on the wire as soon as we lifted his big motor out of the water it was normal there was some gorounding issues.

If your wiring is sound it ill be good if you have wires hanging every where start tracing them back and remove them!!!! you dont want exposed leeds as weel and any wires not connected to anything get rid of them all clean it up.


Good luck Wolf

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