Beautiful day on the water - Christmas prawning

Sculpin

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Well since we built a nice shelter for the Sculpin we thought we better get her out there catching some prawns. Today was beautiful out on the water and was really fun to get out there and catch some food for Christmas. The boat ran great and we managed around 400 prawns.

Hauling them up.

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The scenery

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Mmmm good eats!

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The peanut gallery following us home munching on prawn heads.

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Great day on the water. I like this time of year. Hope to get out again real soon over the holiday's.

Merry Christmas,
Sculpin
 
What prawn puller you using there? Look's interesting?

Homemade. We built a few of them years ago. I am about to build a new one with some good idea's I've seen on the net. We just use ATV winches when they come on sale at either Ukrainian Tire or Costco. They are slower than an Ace but pull way harder.

In my old 16.5' Cope I almost pulled the damn boat over when I caught a shelf with a trap. That was with the 3000 lb. winch. I have to play around with the spool size to increase the speed. The next one will be pretty cool I think.
 
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Was out in the Inlet yesterday too. The hit the prawns took last spring is still having a pretty serious negative effect: 16 traps (4 of us) up and down twice in the usual Hot Spots for less than 400 total catch? Even last year that would have been the result for a single pull on a single string! Nice to catch a few for Christmas, but rather dismal showing in the wake of 5,000 traps plus being rolled over daily earlier this year!

And of course, The Dino's answer to the reduced numbers here:
"Recreational Prawn and Shrimp by Trap Fishers are advised that the harvest of prawns and shrimp by trap, ring net, or spear while diving, will close from 00:01 hours January 1, 2012, to 23:59 hours March 31, 2012..."

Wonder if their plans call for another all-out Massacre for early next year? Keep that up, there will be no need to even consider opening for the Sporties - there will simply be nothing left for them to target on... :(

Nog
 
Homemade. We built a few of them years ago. I am about to build a new one with some good idea's I've seen on the net. We just use ATV winches when they come on sale at either Ukrainian Tire or Costco. They are slower than an Ace but pull way harder.

In my old 16.5' Cope I almost pulled the damn boat over when I caught a shelf with a trap. That was with the 3000 lb. winch. I have to play around with the spool size to increase the speed. The next one will be pretty cool I think.


Looks pretty cool... ;)
 
Prawn facts
90% of the commercial prawns are shipped to the Asian sushi market
252 licensed commercial prawn vessels with each license restricted to 300 traps. (max75600 traps)
Info from Chris Sporer, Executive Director Pacific Prawn Fishermen’s Association
http://wildbcspotprawns.com/

Just another case of the export market being placed ahead of the recreational sector, ie average Joe Canadian
Notice the name Chis Sporer.... Where have we heard that one? Halibut maybe.....
This guy sure knows how to export our resources so we get the short end of the stick.
GLG
 
Was out in the Inlet yesterday too. The hit the prawns took last spring is still having a pretty serious negative effect: 16 traps (4 of us) up and down twice in the usual Hot Spots for less than 400 total catch? Even last year that would have been the result for a single pull on a single string! Nice to catch a few for Christmas, but rather dismal showing in the wake of 5,000 traps plus being rolled over daily earlier this year!

And of course, The Dino's answer to the reduced numbers here:
"Recreational Prawn and Shrimp by Trap Fishers are advised that the harvest of prawns and shrimp by trap, ring net, or spear while diving, will close from 00:01 hours January 1, 2012, to 23:59 hours March 31, 2012..."

Wonder if their plans call for another all-out Massacre for early next year? Keep that up, there will be no need to even consider opening for the Sporties - there will simply be nothing left for them to target on... :(

Nog


Maybe because they mostly moved to your side after they realized they had wiped out where they normally prawned around Nanoose etc. My email to DFO - what problem? Perhaps we should get a closure here as well this year.
 
We are seeing the same effect here Matt. It should have been a clue as to what was happening when the commercial guys loaded there traps on a truck and quit while the season was still open. They couldn't catch enough to pay the fuel. I think DFO has nearly wiped out another fishery. I guess they will have another go at it this year to make sure it is done.
Ken
 
I am reading this thread and after anger comes a couple questions. You guys ( Ken, Matt,Jeff, Pat,ect) are the guys on the water all the time. Therefore I look at your observations as being the only true real-time information. I trust little else and with good reason. I did see commies pulling blank after blank wen I was there at end of may last year. I was told they were full pulls for most wen they first hit that area.(in front of the
"Front Door")

My question to any or all of you is this. How much harder did they hit it last year than previous years?
How much worse(your catch numbers)are you seeing it this year verses previous years at this time?
And finally: What level of affect do you feel another spring attack by the commies would have on the fishery both short and long term?

I Know this sounds like I am playing 20 questions but I really am trying to get educated before flying off the handle.

Cheers to you all: Ray
 
How much harder did they hit it last year than previous years?

Historically there were but a handful of commercial prawn rigs in the Sound and Inlet. Efforts were spread coast wide, and a lot of attention was paid to inside waters. Appears they must have fished them down enough that it was no longer very lucrative in those other areas.

This past year the doors were blown right open. Greater than a 100% increase in boat presence, and of course the same for trap numbers. Spoke with a fellow over in Ukee (boat was down for a few days) and he was moaning he wouldn't likely get back until "It was all over". Also informed me that 5,000+ traps were being rolled over in this area DAILY! :eek:

Personal observations by locals confirmed the presence was MUCH higher than ever previously witnessed, and any attempt to work your own gear was an exercise in futility.

Speaks VOLUMES when The Dino leaves their season wide open, and the boats begin to wander off on their own due to increasingly dismal catches. By the end of that opening, most had left due to having, as the fellow in Ukee suggested, "Wiped them out".

How much worse(your catch numbers)are you seeing it this year verses previous years at this time?

Much worse. The few times we have been out the fishing has been dismal. Spoke with many others who are finding exactly the same. A few "decent" spots, none suggested as "Good". In past years a single string would often cough up your daily limit of 200 (often more) with but a single pull. That AIN'T happening this year, inside anyway. We basically hauled 32 traps (4 anglers, 16 traps, up and down twice) for less than 400 just the other day. Very poor.

And finally: What level of affect do you feel another spring attack by the commies would have on the fishery both short and long term?

Short term - Largely wipe out the Standing Biomass for yet another season.

Long Term - Prawns are a short cycle bug, maturing at ~ 4 years. The commercial fishery occurs after most of the bugs have finished spawning (occurs late fall and females carry the maturing eggs until they hatch - usually finished by April). The theory is that the catch cheifly targets post-spawn adults, and were this to be accurate, there wouldn't be too much impact on the next year's stocks. In function it isn't quite as ducky as the theory would suggest. Prawns generally reach their adult configuration at about 1 year. For the next 3 years they gain in size and weight. Thus the fishery not only targets on post-spawn adults, but also impacts those who have yet to reach that stage of maturity (chiefly the 3 year olds one season before they spawn).

If the industrial style efforts we witnessed this year are slowed or stopped, due to their short lifespan and colonistic nature, the stock would rebound within a reasonably short time frame. If however the intense removal continues annually, well, the ramifications are quite easy to figure out... Unless you're The Dino it seems...

Back when the halibut issue first arose several warned about this type of development occurring with other species - notably prawns (and crabs btw) were on that list. What we are witnessing IMHO is a manifestation of that prediction becoming reality.

Fish them down to the point that the winter recreational fishery has to be closed due to "conservation concerns". Blow the commercial openings wide open in the spring once the numbers have recovered somewhat. Repeat.

Problem? What Problem? :confused:

A few related quotes:

Stock Status: Low abundance of winter breeding stocks is indicated in various areas from year to year. Overall, stocks are healthy and there is no indication of concern at this time (DFO - Fisheries Management).

Management: BC’s prawn fishery is managed federally by Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO) This is a fully competitive commercial trap fishery with no pre-season estimate of total allowable catch (TAC) and no individual fishing quotas.

From: http://www.bcseafood.ca/PDFs/fisheriesinfo/fishery-spot-prawns-by-trap.pdf

Be right interested in hearing what the others that get out there might have to say on these matters...

Cheers,
Nog
 
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Historically there were but a handful of commercial prawn rigs in the Sound and Inlet. Efforts were spread coast wide, and a lot of attention was paid to inside waters. Appears they must have fished them down enough that it was no longer very lucrative in those other areas.

This past year the doors were blown right open. Greater than a 100% increase in boat presence, and of course the same for trap numbers. Spoke with a fellow over in Ukee (boat was down for a few days) and he was moaning he wouldn't likely get back until "It was all over". Also informed me that 5,000+ traps were being rolled over in this area DAILY! :eek:

Personal observations by locals confirmed the presence was MUCH higher than ever previously witnessed, and any attempt to work your own gear was an exercise in futility.

Speaks VOLUMES when The Dino leaves their season wide open, and the boats begin to wander off on their own due to increasingly dismal catches. By the end of that opening, most had left due to having, as the fellow in Ukee suggested, "Wiped them out".



Much worse. The few times we have been out the fishing has been dismal. Spoke with many others who are finding exactly the same. A few "decent" spots, none suggested as "Good". In past years a single string would often cough up your daily limit of 200 (often more) with but a single pull. That AIN'T happening this year, inside anyway. We basically hauled 32 traps (4 anglers, 16 traps, up and down twice) for less than 400 just the other day. Very poor.



Short term - Largely wipe out the Standing Biomass for yet another season.

Long Term - Prawns are a short cycle bug, maturing at ~ 4 years. The commercial fishery occurs after most of the bugs have finished spawning (occurs late fall and females carry the maturing eggs until they hatch - usually finished by April). The theory is that the catch cheifly targets post-spawn adults, and were this to be accurate, there wouldn't be too much impact on the next year's stocks. In function it isn't quite as ducky as the theory would suggest. Prawns generally reach their adult configuration at about 1 year. For the next 3 years they gain in size and weight. Thus the fishery not only targets on post-spawn adults, but also impacts those who have yet to reach that stage of maturity (chiefly the 3 year olds one season before they spawn).

If the industrial style efforts we witnessed this year are slowed or stopped, due to their short lifespan and colonistic nature, the stock would rebound within a reasonably short time frame. If however the intense removal continues annually, well, the ramifications are quite easy to figure out... Unless you're The Dino it seems...

Back when the halibut issue first arose several warned about this type of development occurring with other species - notably prawns (and crabs btw) were on that list. What we are witnessing IMHO is a manifestation of that prediction becoming reality.

Fish them down to the point that the winter recreational fishery has to be closed due to "conservation concerns". Blow the commercial openings wide open in the spring once the numbers have recovered somewhat. Repeat.

Problem? What Problem? :confused:

A few related quotes:



From: http://www.bcseafood.ca/PDFs/fisheriesinfo/fishery-spot-prawns-by-trap.pdf

Be right interested in hearing what the others that get out there might have to say on these matters...

Cheers,
Nog

Thanks for this Nog!! Once again clear and informative info.

Cheers: Ray
 
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