A New Regulation change for Saltwater 2013 season

I think you may be extending the power granted to a "Fishery Officer" to others such as creel survey people. As I said earlier fisheries Officers have powers as peace officers that aren,t extended to everyone in the department. There is a tendency for people to assume all employees are Fisheries Officers which is not true. They may be granting more powers to their employees, but I haven't seen anything on it yet
Just thought I'd add all RCMP officers are peace officers but not all peace officers are RCMP officers or even police officers, so is it OK if I keep my hobby?
 
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My only problem with the whole process is that we are already over regulated...
DFO may call this experimental, but once in place we are never going back to what we once had.
If it keeps going in this direction eventually people will lose interest in the sport.
As Chris stated earlier, with all the slot regs in place you lose the incentive to catch the fish of a lifetime.
 
Keeping your hobby is up to you. I never said a creel survey person had as much power as a DFO officer. The minister decides how much power each worker has it says that in my post above taken from the fisheries act.

I don't even know if a creel survey person is considered a guardian but again thats up to the minister and if they are guardians they have the right to ask for info and under the fisheries act you might be required to provide it. The legislation is all there for you to read.

Your right different members of DFO have different authority levels. I'm right that those authority levels are determined by the minister and if he says you must answer all creel survey people and produce your lic for them then under the act your going to have to comply. Not sure what the consequence (if any) would be for refusing but you know who decides that right? Yup - the minister.

Edit: don't get me wrong I don't expect creel survey people to be issuing tickets this up coming season. They would require a pay raise for that and you can bet the department is too cheap to give it to them even though all the violations they see and could write up would probably more then pay for the increase.
 
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Accurate Catch data would be great. THat way, we don't have 10,000 angler hours off of Sooke in August 2008 when there were 18 days with wind over 20KNTS. Mandatory return of punched licenses every season would be great. Mandatory participation of creel survey is fine too. Creel Surveyors would have to be bonded profesionals, not summer help like what we have now, a lot do a great job, but as Hourston pointed out, some go a little overboard. I am a guide and have been participating in the log book program.

I think DFO collecting accurate data is a darn good thing. And I want DFO data to withstand scrutiny, which it clearly can't do based on some numbers we were given at some South Coast working groups a couple of years ago.

Regulations similar to wild game would go a long way to our fishery. ALL PARTIES must be accountable.

1) Commericial Fisheries - Extremley well accounted for.

2) Rec Fishery, slowly being brought into line via creel survey and flight data. And end to voodoo formulas, extrapolations, over flights where every boat is limiting out. Every fish accounted for on the license, A condition of the license is the license is returned at the end of the season. A refundable deposit on the license would go a long way too.

3) Fist Nations - Must be accountable. Yes, they get priority access, but as it has been demonstrated on the Fraser River, inviting DFO to "Make love to a pinapple" shouldn't fly far either.

If we account for the bulk of the fish caught on this coast, and get credible data, then I wouldn't have a problem with a fishery being closed for a genuine conservation concearn.

To give you an idea of how bad the DFO data is, and how badly used it was, the first time we were given a slot size in area 19/20, it was all fish over 65 CM to protect early timed Fraser Fish. A few weeks later, whoever was in charge of salmon policy that week was shown that hatchery fish over 65 CM have nothing to do with early timed Fraser Fish, so "Oops, we will make another annoucement opening these Hatchery fish, which are part of a US Put and Take Fishery". The point of that statement is adequate homework is NOT being done on the fishery.

This would put an end to the voodoo logic that was explained to ME IN PERSON at some of the south coast working groups we had two years ago, they were out to lunch. When I pointed out a few problems with the model, I was told "You can't have an infinatly variable model". This was in reply to my suggestion that "Reduce estimated fishing effort when winds are over 20KNTS, (they were not taking weather into account if you can belive that!), and the fly over photos were clear enough to either see wakes and downriggers from trolling boats, or no wake and/or a stationary boat fishing for halibut/groundfish. The only variables in the model were the number of boats on the water, period, and the number of fish counted per boat at the boat launches. This does did not take into account the guide fleet which does not use boat launches, nor the many places the creel people have the resources to monitor properly.

If we get damn good data, then I'm all for it. I don't think anyone has a problem with how wild game is managed, we need that for DFO, it's going to take some pain, some paperwork, but if we have good data, then we can manage our fishery. And DFO will need some resources from the Harper Government to do this.
 
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What I don't understand is, we are in the digital age now, why is it so hard to have online reporting of catch? Have a simple website with link spelled out on our fishing license (much like that currently on the online licensing, but a more direct website address), have a checkbox for 'anticipated halibut fishing' when we fill out our licence, then use that to determine % of fisherman that are halibut fisherman, and use the sample group you receve online, less 5% either end for the jerks that want to screw the numbers, and away you go!?!? You could even have a text # to send catch data to c/w license #?? Educate that inability to report catch may have our fishing rights taken away.

300k saltwater licenses, yet we know the halibut fishery is probably more like 30k licenses - this will be determined immediately when we buy our license, then out of those 30k licenses, lets say even 5k actually report their numbers online, drop 100 of the 'zero' catch, and 100 of the top weight catch out of 30k reporting (or even just random selection) - you could then multiply weight by 6 and determine a reasonable catch. The critics can say what they want, but its going to be more accurate than a flyover that calculated 4674 boats in May for greater victoria don't ya think?
 
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