A New Regulation change for Saltwater 2013 season

Derby

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Thought I would pass this along:

New for the 2013 season-DFO informed us of a regulation change that makes it mandatory for all anglers to comply to a request for information from anyone designated byDFO. That includes creel surveyors. Failure to comply will result in a court appearance rather than just a ticket.
 
Got a reference for that Deryk? I have always complied with the creel guys and girls.... but I am sure provincial court judges must have better things to do than sit and listen to complaints from DFO that so and so would not talk to him!!!! In fact, that is why the ticket system was brought in quite a few years ago. A ticket is a much better way to go-- and then if the ticket isnt paid, then its time for "judge"ment.
 
Got a reference for that Deryk? I have always complied with the creel guys and girls.... but I am sure provincial court judges must have better things to do than sit and listen to complaints from DFO that so and so would not talk to him!!!! In fact, that is why the ticket system was brought in quite a few years ago. A ticket is a much better way to go-- and then if the ticket isnt paid, then its time for "judge"ment.


My local SFAC- rep. that was at the meeting on the weekend
 
I'm not sure DFO has that power? Designating powers to other individuals?
 
The minister can appoint anyone to gather information for him. I think this is more of a scare tactic then anything they can enforce. Is the creel lady going to call the cops if you don't answer her questions? I guess if DFO is on site you might get in trouble but otherwise it's all he said she said nothing the courts will want to hear.

I always answer anyways why not? Afraid the data will be used against you? I'd rather them try to use real data against us then made up crap.
 
The minister can appoint anyone to gather information for him. I think this is more of a scare tactic then anything they can enforce. Is the creel lady going to call the cops if you don't answer her questions? I guess if DFO is on site you might get in trouble but otherwise it's all he said she said nothing the courts will want to hear.

I always answer anyways why not? Afraid the data will be used against you? I'd rather them try to use real data against us then made up crap.

Even within their department they have varying degrees of power., some as Peace Officers some not. I have no problem answering questions but I do have a problem with just anyone demanding I do so. Same with a search of my house, I have nothing to hide but that doesn't mean I'm open to anyone off the street knocking on the door and demanding I allow them to search my house.
 
I want the creel person to try to ticket me.... I have always been nice to them unless I am in a hurry. Giving them that power is like giving me that power. I am going to issue you all a ticket for $100 just for murdering those poor halibut under 15 pounds.. LOL :)
 
I never met a creel person who wasn't decent and we always cooperate.
they are just paid employees like most of us.
I doubt they would give you much grief unless you were in gross violation
and even then, it would get turned over to a higher power
JMHO
 
The minister can appoint anyone to gather information for him. I think this is more of a scare tactic then anything they can enforce. Is the creel lady going to call the cops if you don't answer her questions? I guess if DFO is on site you might get in trouble but otherwise it's all he said she said nothing the courts will want to hear.

I always answer anyways why not? Afraid the data will be used against you? I'd rather them try to use real data against us then made up crap.

Totally agree,GDW. Personally,I'd like to see alot more creel survey people around. The more data the better. I fully
believe that this is the only way to get a true idea of what we're actually taking every year!
 
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Totally agree,GDW. Personally,I'd like to see alot more creel survey people around. The more data the better. I fully
believe that this is the only way to get a true idea of what we're actually taking every year!

I'm personally in favor of making turning in the halibut punch card into DFO at the end of the season as a condition of licensing. Further, I also believe we should be required to record date, place and length of each fish caught to help us gather more accurate biological data on these fish. No more guess work, models, fly overs...pure accountability. I believe what you will find is some cases of under-reporting (especially early season) and some cases of over-reporting (July/Aug) - fly over in my opinion combined with the not so random creel surveys overstates catch. We need better data to prove that however, and without it we are forced to accept the DFO estimates and models.
 
... I believe what you will find is some cases of under-reporting (especially early season) and some cases of over-reporting (July/Aug) - fly over in my opinion combined with the not so random creel surveys overstates catch. We need better data to prove that however, and without it we are forced to accept the DFO estimates and models.

We certainly do need better data! DFO estimates and models seem seriously and perpetually flawed, judging by the record. Cooperating with creel surveys could improve DFO policy and action, if the raw data was properly compiled, analyzed and acted upon. But will forced compliance with the comprehensive surveys be followed on with anything to assure intelligent and equitable use of the data collected?

We also had a good discussion of this topic several months ago:
http://www.sportfishingbc.com/forum/showthread.php?19343-Creel-survey&highlight=creel+survey
 
Let's hope DFO uses the Halibut Punch Card as an opportunity to finally gather more accurate biological and catch data from the rec fleet. There are too many potential holes, and we have no way to challenge the accuracy of the data. So for now we have to accept it.

Other side benefits of the 6 fish punch card is it eliminates concerns over guides and rec anglers gifting. Eliminates concerns over locals going out and loading up freezers on multiple day trips. Helps stretch the TAC out more as it encourages anglers to limit total catch. I'm fairly certain most average joe anglers can live with 6 fish a year. The one's that can't are probably unhappy because their former habits are being impinged upon. Meanwhile, this is a good way for us to get better catch data and I have no problem filling out log books or answering creel surveys. If the DFO science guys don't have good info, we risk having it made up by some whacky model.
 
Even within their department they have varying degrees of power., some as Peace Officers some not. I have no problem answering questions but I do have a problem with just anyone demanding I do so. Same with a search of my house, I have nothing to hide but that doesn't mean I'm open to anyone off the street knocking on the door and demanding I allow them to search my house.

Ziggy we are not talking anyone off the street here we are talking about somebody who has applied for a job, gone through an interview and training, and been hired by the minister to carry out specific duties. You might want to re think your hobbie if your worried DFO has as much or more power then RCMP!!

Here is the part about the minister appointing anyone he chooses to carry out some duties

"FISHERY OFFICERS AND FISHERY GUARDIANS

5. (1) The Minister may designate any persons or classes of persons as fishery officers or fishery guardians for the purposes of this Act and may limit in any manner the Minister considers appropriate the powers that a fishery officer or fishery guardian may exercise under this Act or any other Act of Parliament."
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-14/page-4.html#h-6

Read more on that you'll see you have the right to ask them for their paperwork. If a creel survey person demands answers ask them for their certificate of designation if they don't have one your off the hook.

Here is the part on how much power a DFO officer has to inspect you.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-14/page-18.html#h-15

And here is the part we are talking about in this thread.

INFORMATION RETURNS
note : Persons who may be required to provide information

61. (1) The following persons may be required under this Act to provide information or to keep records, books of account or other documents:

(a) any person who engages in fishing;

(b) any person who purchases fish for the purpose of resale;

(c) any owner, operator or manager of an enterprise that catches, cultures, processes or transports fish; and

(d) any agent or employee of a person referred to in paragraphs (a) to (c).

note:Information that may be required
(2) A person referred to in subsection (1) may be required to provide information or to keep records or other documents relating to any of the following matters:

(a) the number, sex, size, weight, species, product form, value or other particulars of any fish caught, cultured, processed, transported, sold or purchased;

(b) the time and place at which any fish was caught or landed and the person, enterprise or vessel by which the fish was caught or landed;

(c) the time and place at which any fish was purchased and the person, enterprise or vessel from which the fish was purchased;

(d) the vessels, gear and methods used and the number of persons employed for the purpose of catching fish;

(e) the buildings, equipment, products and methods used and the number of persons employed for the purpose of culturing or processing fish; and

(f) any other matter relating to the proper management and control of fisheries or the conservation and protection of fish.

note : Duty to keep books
(3) A person referred to in subsection (1) shall keep any records, books of account or other documents that may be required by the regulations or by the terms and conditions of any lease or licence issued to the person under this Act and the records, books of account or other documents shall be kept in the manner and form and for the period prescribed by the regulations, lease or licence.

note : Duty to provide information
(4) A person referred to in subsection (1) shall, on the request of any fishery officer or fishery guardian, provide the officer or guardian, or any authority designated by the officer or guardian, with any information relating to a matter mentioned in subsection (2) that the officer or guardian may request.

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-14/page-21.html#docCont

The Fisheries Act is a powerfull document. It's fun to read through too I learned a lot in just 20 minutes of browsing a few sections.
 
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